Do salt based nutrients kill bacteria and microbes?

[Buckeyetoker]

No...this is a very good read. I've always thought there was no reason to add Bennies and such while using Megacrop and other salt based nutrients (even though I always do)...sounds like a myth

Does Fertilizer Kill Soil Bacteria?

Do synthetic fertilizers kill bacteria in soil? Is the soil food web right? Find out what really happens in the soil after adding fertilizer.

www.gardenmyths.com

 

[webeblzr]

IMHO, salt based fertilizers get/got a bad rap, from over fertilizing an area. Whether it's a corn field or a 4 inch nursery pot.

 

[Buckeyetoker]

IMHO, salt based fertilizers get/got a bad rap, from over fertilizing an area. Whether it's a corn field or a 4 inch nursery pot.

Yes...obviously you can kill everything in the soil with too much. I never knew why they're called salts either. Pretty good read.

 

[Frosty78]

Yes...obviously you can kill everything in the soil with too much. I never knew why they're called salts either. Pretty good read.

interesting read. Have a read of jadam and cross reference. Western farming practices in general have degraded the soil profile. I thinks salts and over fertilisation have played a part however heavy machinery clearing land naturally forested have raised salinity in areas etc. I love this type of chat. Do I think fertilizers are bad...no, do I think naturally fertilisation is better (much more smells) I do agree with that. The naturally breaking down matter generally feeds your crops whatever they may be better than a blanket ammonia nitrate. It covers the entire macro and micro nutrients your plants have used to grow and you are putting it back into the soil. That's my two bobs worth. I'm sure they can be mutually beneficial.

 

[HBZ]

Absolutely a good read and the mention of the book teaming with microbes is awesome...That's the book I trained myself with..Now saying this all holds true...Why does pure organics use produce smells and flavor that can't be matched with chemical nutes?? I've grown using the Lucas formula with a flood and drain hydro system..GH Micro/Bloom nutes..Same exact time running the same exact cuts in earth juice with various organic amendments. The results were extreme with difference... Basically like running two different strains..Both having pros and cons but literally what made me drop chemical nutes all together...I do miss running hydro I loved it...The proof however was right in front of my eyes ...Not saying ide never run hydro again because I'll get back at again no doubt when room is available to me again...But far as quality and headstash...I just can't kid myself about what I experienced personally.. Organics for the win...For me...It wouldn't even make sense to add salts into my rootzone... everything is working on point...why compromise flavor..and smoothness when it's one of those scenarios of don't fix it.. if it isn't broke..just my two cents

 

[webeblzr]

Hey HBZ, I once had the same feeling. After 3 years of doing this, (my hopeless tinkering fool side of me) I now know it is not only possible, but makes growing far easier than sticking to a single regiment, for me.
For me, we are just as thrilled with buds from salt and organics used intermittently over a given single item food source. It's about amounts IMHO.
Just my $.02 with all due respect!

 

[Skunky Dunk Farms]

I really can't give a opinion of salts.

I've always used either compost teas made with guanos and mollasses exclusively or full regiments of liquid based organics also with mollases.

I do also use a Silica ammendment as well with any suite.
Flavors are always delicious!

 

[HBZ]

Hey HBZ, I once had the same feeling. After 3 years of doing this, (my hopeless tinkering fool side of me) I now know it is not only possible, but makes growing far easier than sticking to a single regiment, for me.
For me, we are just as thrilled with buds from salt and organics used intermittently over a given single item food source. It's about amounts IMHO.
Just my $.02 with all due respect!

As with anything good results can come from practice and experience..Hell 20 years ago I was (or thought I was) knocking it out of the park using nothing but miracle grow...The pink shit with a tomato on the box..Worked my way thru literally thousands of dollars of snake oils and the latest and greatest nutes available..Gave most a fair chance and got good results with most all of them.. Everything has a learning curve.. However thru time i landed on organics..It wasn't until then I realized how simple it actually is and how much time and money I had wasted on all these different methods of feeding..Being quite truthful ANY method used can be beyond good results...it can be perfected.. Anytime I talk to younger growers and I've found they are all the same...Flat out don't listen to advice and fail over and over until they are like ok man...how ya do it..So any advice I ever give now is develop your own methods and perfect them..And QUIT trying to grow so many different strains ? They all seem to want different shit! Anyways..I've perfected keeping the money in my wallet and not collecting every Magic growth formula..I could never ever try and sway anyone towards the way I grow...Just to many methods that work flawlessly..too many ppl have already perfected and proven those methods.. Personally I use the very basics now..I give the plants what they want when they want it..I try and connect with each plant on its own personal needs the best I can and using chemical nutes may be a quicker and better way to do that...I'm just very satisfied with what I'm producing without chemicals...I have definitely decided not to even fuck with a strain before because it just didn't approve of my methods... chemical nutes probably would have solved that issue as well...End of the day on a personal note...The absolute clean taste, smoothness , super bag appeal, added potency...all on a crazy minimum nute budget....just won't ever stray

 

[Buckeyetoker]

I think the K.I.S.S. method is best for most of us. I don't think I could ever get away from Megacrop and the other stuff I play around with. Molasses, Epsom salts, Massive Bloom and a few others I rotate around but Megacrop is my main thing. Produces big, colorful, fragrant and awesome tasting buds every run. It is also almost 100% repeatable every run.

 

[webeblzr]

I will be honest, when I found Outlaws thread, I had walked away from everything salt related, for a good while.
Once boredom got me by the short hairs, I built a set up, and ran a basterdized Outlaw set up.
When I cut that harvest, and was scooping up the medium from the tray, I found 4-6 huge (night crawler) sized worms, right where the root mat was bound into the lava rock/hydroton layer!!
The sunshine mix/30LB's compost/ coco husks, had all my Dr.Earth additives .
The bottom of tray, the muck, had no smell at all, some springtails were in there, it looked nasty, but was not.
So for me the growing of worms probably from the compost, gives me the *feeling* that salt ferts, (was all I filled the reservoir with for a total about 90 days, veg to flower,) had to be close to soil values to grow worms.
Again, I'm a simple home grower, commercial guys should laugh at my ways.

 

[OldG]

After running megacrop 5-12-26 at low TDS for a full run, in soil.

Flavor is banging...smoke is fierce.

Plants can’t tell the difference either, because there is no difference. They don’t care where the nitrate came from. Dr Buckabee did a seminar about it. He convinced me of thios very thing which is why i tried the MC 5-12-26.

What salts CAN do is build up. The solution to salts build up? Humic/Fulvic...

Give them just water too once in a while.


Like @Buckeyetoker i like simple.
MC CALNIT Keep around Epsom Salts.. Silia and Calmag are around but rarely boosted. If i were to run coco i would use it. Gallons last FOREVER.

TDS and PH pen just to make sure...i do that EVERY time...i am nuts like that.

This next round i am going to do organic soil planters...no MC as well... I do like the way they fade

What is nice about salts is... deficiencies can be repaired directly. Quickly... Needs N....Give it

I think its like Reeses
There is really no wrong way... pick something you love and master it. Soil is pretty easy but Megacrop is VERY easy.
5 gallons RO water....2tsp 5-12-26 1 tsp calnit = 650 TDS
3 1 = 750
2 2 = 750.

Shaken and stirred....Like a I Wet my Plants Martini.

After reading this article and 3 rebuttles from...it kills the soil man.
It would be awesome if they showed us what.... Phos and Potassium do in buildup...if there is any... I truly do not give a shit about N....
Every mix needs more...Calnit (The COWBELL of dry salts).

 

[Buckeyetoker]

Soil is pretty easy but Megacrop is VERY easy.

Yes it is. My favorite thing is it's repeatable. One day Ill try organic. Companies source from so many different places Im always worried each grow wont be repeatable. If my MC isn't really killing anything and the growth, flavor and smell is amazing then...why? But just to experiment I will one day.