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belleswell

In Bloom
Jar Lid - GMO
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GMO Outside Day 49 - After 5 years with this strain, I've let them go for 84 to 104 days/flower.
Highest % I've ever had. Some cuts were originally gifted to me by a friend who is a medicinal provider.

He and some of his friends who also grow as medicinal providers tweaked this strain crossing the
best with the best, and ended up with this, which had some of the higher tests coming in at 37.4 combined.
As a medicinal provider, he must have them tested for levels. It's the best I've ever had and that is saying a lot.

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Two downsides to this strain, although the potency makes up for it, are the time to fruition, and the stretch. It stretches well into week 7 and stretches 2 to 3 times the size from when the lights are cut back. Now that I know how much these stretch, I can start flowering much earlier than other strains as it sucks to run out of room. I had the 1000w HPS almost glued to the ceiling of the normal sized tent height. 80 inches ? I had to make another bracket to go across the ceiling from some 1/2 in conduit, and use jack chain in the top of the fixture so I could get the light as close to the ceiling as possible. I still had to bend, fold and mutilate many of them as the stretch was killing the fun.



I'm sure many here can answer these questions.

Three years ago, while working on my 4th grow with this strain, I had a 4 x 4 tent with 6 plants/varieties, all fems. One of the strains was Royal Queen's "Royal Gorilla" which I believe is the only one that hermed. After the damage was done, I found some nanners on some of the lower branches of the Royal Gorilla, and all 6 strains produced seeds. Also the plant with the most seeds was the "Royal Gorilla". At the same time that the 4x4 was going, I had a 4x5 going right next to the other tent with more GMO growing in it and none of them had seeds, which also leads me to believe it was the Royal Gorilla herm in tent #1 that caused the seeds.

With a 425 cfm fan blowing in, and an Cloudline 10 speed sucking out the air in the tent for circulation, as well as two ocsillating 6" fans in the tent, the pollen hit all of the plants. You know what they say about when "it" hits the fan.

My questions are: If my beloved GMO aka Garlic Cookies, *Chem Dog x Girl Scout Cookies, was hit with pollen from the "Royal Gorilla" fem herm, will the seeds be fem? Fem, with a chance of herm? Reg? Reg, with a chance of herm?

What is the ratio of seeds that will be just like the fem GMO mom that the seeds came? 25%?, 50%? Inquiring minds want to know. The reason is this. I shut down the garden for a year and a half and no longer have a mom for cuts, and I'm hoping some of the seeds from her will be just like she was. In that I have some seeds, I don't really want to bother him for some more cuts. Plus he lives two hours away. I greatly appreciate any answers.


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belleswell

In Bloom
Fem with a chance of herm and less than 25% chance of same plant.

Reasoning - It has glue in it and roughly 25% will be of similar phenotype.

Thank you DopeDaniel. I greatly appreciate your answer. I normally only grow 6 at a time in my 4 x 4, and next grow, I'll make all of them from these seeds and hope I can get one that matches mom exactly. A few cuts from her should get me one I can keep as a mom for future runs. Many phenos come and go for me, but the GMO was one that always had reserved seating from one grow to the next. As these grow, I'll know exactly which one/s I want to clone as I know her characteristics very well.
 
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DopeDaniel

Taste The Spectrum
IPM Forum Moderator
As these grow, I'll know exactly which one/s I want to clone as I know her characteristics very well.
Who knows?, you may find one that has the terp profile and improves the stretch and finish times. Then a trade with your buddy for the original...

I thought you were gonna ask how many grams were in the lid. TBH I probably have equal chances of being right.
 

Willie

🍓 Crush Genetics 🍓
My questions are: If my beloved GMO aka Garlic Cookies, *Chem Dog x Girl Scout Cookies, was hit with pollen from the "Royal Gorilla" fem herm, will the seeds be fem? Fem, with a chance of herm? Reg? Reg, with a chance of herm?
Yes, they will be fems, possibly with a hermie tendency.

What is the ratio of seeds that will be just like the fem GMO mom that the seeds came? 25%?, 50%? Inquiring minds want to know.
25% will lean toward one parent, finding something exact replica, takes some luck.
 

belleswell

In Bloom
Who knows?, you may find one that has the terp profile and improves the stretch and finish times. Then a trade with your buddy for the original...

I thought you were gonna ask how many grams were in the lid. TBH I probably have equal chances of being right.
Great idea. I can forgive the stretch as I've learned to work with it. It is closer to 3 times the stretch than 2. I can even forgive the time to fruition as it really starts to shine after day 84 and is even a little more couch lock after 104, but what I really want is the potency. I've had some other strains done from seeds that were reported to have % over 30,
but I suspect most were lucky to get to 30. On the other hand, this strain still rocks me hard after smoking it for over 5 years. Many strains are nice for a few days and then
I build a tolerance to them. Not so with this strain. She's fire🔥

Thanks as well Willie. I'll try to get a mom from some of the seeds, but if I can't quite get there, I'll make the drive to see him. He has been doing some other great strains
that the pics had me drooling. I may have to make a road trip.
 
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BH

Tha Dank Hoarder
As a suggestion
Look up donny burger, it’s a great example of what amazing of gmo but fixed the looks, not as monster of a plant but def vigorous and key point it’s faster finisher 9-11 weeks np

ive ran 30+ seeds so far in 3 rounds and seen some really nice pheno’s being presented, I’m a huge gmo fan and this version cross really shows why the breeder did this and had a goal of what gml lacked for a grower .

@M48 breed a few Donny burger crosses and made it to F5 for DB. im Currently growing 6 females mid flower, plan on germ more seeds for outdoors and u don’t see me repeating that often in seed hunting (4 me)

 

BH

Tha Dank Hoarder
Oh while thinking about it, dude the Sarsaparilla from Freak Genetics @Frimpong would be an awesome plant too . Gmo and than some and from what I’ve seen and heard it’s def a worthy one if u like gmo profiles and get that plat look from pure Michigan .

Sarsaparilla = Pure Michigan F2 x GMO Rootbeer

since PM is shorter flower finishing plant and really adds bag appeal “plat look” in everything I saw but also super easy to grow I can see why @Frimpong used PM and crossed it with Rootbeer gmo like donny burger. To improve timing to harvest , bag appeal & many reasons. everyone I’ve seen run them has had good results and that’s def a good alt also For a cross with GMO family.
 

doober

In Bloom
Jar Lid - GMO
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GMO Outside Day 49 - After 5 years with this strain, I've let them go for 84 to 104 days/flower.
Highest % I've ever had. Some cuts were originally gifted to me by a friend who is a medicinal provider.

He and some of his friends who also grow as medicinal providers tweaked this strain crossing the
best with the best, and ended up with this, which had some of the higher tests coming in at 37.4 combined.
As a medicinal provider, he must have them tested for levels. It's the best I've ever had and that is saying a lot.

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Two downsides to this strain, although the potency makes up for it, are the time to fruition, and the stretch. It stretches well into week 7 and stretches 2 to 3 times the size from when the lights are cut back. Now that I know how much these stretch, I can start flowering much earlier than other strains as it sucks to run out of room. I had the 1000w HPS almost glued to the ceiling of the normal sized tent height. 80 inches ? I had to make another bracket to go across the ceiling from some 1/2 in conduit, and use jack chain in the top of the fixture so I could get the light as close to the ceiling as possible. I still had to bend, fold and mutilate many of them as the stretch was killing the fun.



I'm sure many here can answer these questions.

Three years ago, while working on my 4th grow with this strain, I had a 4 x 4 tent with 6 plants/varieties, all fems. One of the strains was Royal Queen's "Royal Gorilla" which I believe is the only one that hermed. After the damage was done, I found some nanners on some of the lower branches of the Royal Gorilla, and all 6 strains produced seeds. Also the plant with the most seeds was the "Royal Gorilla". At the same time that the 4x4 was going, I had a 4x5 going right next to the other tent with more GMO growing in it and none of them had seeds, which also leads me to believe it was the Royal Gorilla herm in tent #1 that caused the seeds.

With a 425 cfm fan blowing in, and an Cloudline 10 speed sucking out the air in the tent for circulation, as well as two ocsillating 6" fans in the tent, the pollen hit all of the plants. You know what they say about when "it" hits the fan.

My questions are: If my beloved GMO aka Garlic Cookies, *Chem Dog x Girl Scout Cookies, was hit with pollen from the "Royal Gorilla" fem herm, will the seeds be fem? Fem, with a chance of herm? Reg? Reg, with a chance of herm?

What is the ratio of seeds that will be just like the fem GMO mom that the seeds came? 25%?, 50%? Inquiring minds want to know. The reason is this. I shut down the garden for a year and a half and no longer have a mom for cuts, and I'm hoping some of the seeds from her will be just like she was. In that I have some seeds, I don't really want to bother him for some more cuts. Plus he lives two hours away. I greatly appreciate any answers.


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Wow - Beautiful pics of your GMO ! Me and a friend grew 2 GMOs outside (New England) this past summer. They only stretched about 2x and they were strong smokes too, but nowhere near the THC levels you mentioned. And they were harvested with cloudy trichs in early October.
 
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belleswell

In Bloom
Wow - Beautiful pics of your GMO ! Me and a friend grew 2 GMOs outside (New England) this past summer. They only stretched about 2x and they were strong smokes too, but nowhere near the THC levels you mentioned. And they were harvested with cloudy trichs in early October.

Thanks everyone for the knowledge. Very useful.

Thanks as well @BH for the Donny Burger and Sarsaparilla strains info. Who sells them as my search for some Pure Michigan has also hit a wall of "Out of Stock" at a few
different sellers.

Another thing I don't understand is how did Mimosa cross GSC and Chemdog which both test in the mid to high 20s get to this wonderful strain. The percentage of their strain was around 25 %. What was it in crossing that led to percentages quite a bit higher than either parent. Luck? Constant testing % to get the best to cross again with the best. I just don't understand how they got this to the levels they did. These guys know exactly how to dial in each strain they grow, for nutes, veg time length, and length of flower time. However, I still cannot understand the process they used to increase the potency as much as they did.

I assuming they tested each as they grew them to improve percentages but I'm still clueless how they improved the % so much. As medicinal providers, potency was
a key concern, but as he explained to me that bag appeal and especially the time involved in flower is crucial as growing 72 plants as a provider, time is money.
A lot of money in his case. Not an issue for me as I only grow for myself and my wife. It still has me wondering how they did it.



Thanks Doober. The last pic in my post was the only time I tried one outside. I took it from the tent after a month of veg and put her outside. It took 3 weeks before
she started growing again, but she finally launched into the stretch I know her for. No ceiling or super cropping or bending of branches. The sky was the limit literally.

Actually the second pic was one that was also taken outside, but it was a plant that I had growing inside that I took outside for some natural sunlight photos before taking her back indoors.

I let her go until the first week of November, and luckily, did not have any frosts before her last day. She made it to a little over 8' and because normal sunlight and
outside conditions which cannot be duplicated in a tent, she was a little more of a wonderful heady high before the couch lock effect kicked in. The same, but different in
a very nice way. I'm still paranoid about growing outside, even though Michigan has some of the most liberal worded laws for recreational growers. It was the only
time I tried growing one outside after our state decriminalized it.



Thanks.
 
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Ramjet159

pHeno pHisher
Fem with a chance of herm and less than 25% chance of same plant.

Reasoning - It has glue in it and roughly 25% will be of similar phenotype.
So I have a similar question
I gave my brother a clone from my Glam Grapes ( fem seed ) and he accidentally pollinated it with a Blackberry reg that turned out to be male .
Any idea what those seeds will offer gender wise ?
I wouldn’t have a clue . I popped 4 seeds he recently gave me based on the Glam Grapes success I’ve had . I don’t know anything much about the Blackberry strain but curiosity got the better of me . He’s already got one of those seeds in full swing and so far potentially its looks to grow with vigour . I’ll take a few cuttings just in case it’s a find . IMG_7917.jpeg IMG_7918.jpeg
 

notdezmond

In Bloom
So I have a similar question
I gave my brother a clone from my Glam Grapes ( fem seed ) and he accidentally pollinated it with a Blackberry reg that turned out to be male .
Any idea what those seeds will offer gender wise ?
I wouldn’t have a clue . I popped 4 seeds he recently gave me based on the Glam Grapes success I’ve had . I don’t know anything much about the Blackberry strain but curiosity got the better of me . He’s already got one of those seeds in full swing and so far potentially its looks to grow with vigour . I’ll take a few cuttings just in case it’s a find . View attachment 197811 View attachment 197812
If it was pollen from a male, it will be around 50/50 m/f
 

GthaEnigma

Canna-Arborist
So I have a similar question
I gave my brother a clone from my Glam Grapes ( fem seed ) and he accidentally pollinated it with a Blackberry reg that turned out to be male .
Any idea what those seeds will offer gender wise ?
I wouldn’t have a clue . I popped 4 seeds he recently gave me based on the Glam Grapes success I’ve had . I don’t know anything much about the Blackberry strain but curiosity got the better of me . He’s already got one of those seeds in full swing and so far potentially its looks to grow with vigour . I’ll take a few cuttings just in case it’s a find . View attachment 197811 View attachment 197812
Reg seeds.
 

DopeDaniel

Taste The Spectrum
IPM Forum Moderator
So I have a similar question
I gave my brother a clone from my Glam Grapes ( fem seed ) and he accidentally pollinated it with a Blackberry reg that turned out to be male .
Any idea what those seeds will offer gender wise ?
I wouldn’t have a clue . I popped 4 seeds he recently gave me based on the Glam Grapes success I’ve had . I don’t know anything much about the Blackberry strain but curiosity got the better of me . He’s already got one of those seeds in full swing and so far potentially its looks to grow with vigour . I’ll take a few cuttings just in case it’s a find . View attachment 197811 View attachment 197812
Sorry mate, just saw this.
Agrre with the others but I'm not sure if it makes any difference (stability) if the fem was selfed or a reversed line as long as it was stable they're worth a go imo.
 

Ramjet159

pHeno pHisher
Sorry mate, just saw this.
Agrre with the others but I'm not sure if it makes any difference (stability) if the fem was selfed or a reversed line as long as it was stable they're worth a go imo.
Thanks mate
I popped 4 to give me a decent chance of a female so let’s see what happens . My brother was so impressed with himself on “ accidently “ creating these beans so I just have to run with it to explore what might be . I’m not sure of the males details but I know I cut clones from the Glam Grapes for good reason so let’s see 🤷‍♂️.
Only takes one good bean , right?
 
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